Kangaskhan and Machamp

[GGFan]

I've been thinking about these two Pokemon and how they're very similar when it comes to standard play. I read a tier list on one community that listed Machamp as UU but Kangaskhan as borderline. When it comes to standard, what makes Kangaskhan better than Machamp? Kanga gets STAB but Machamp makes up for that with a 358 attack stat.

Kanga also has an advantage of speed, but how much of an advantage is this? Kanga still falls short of outspeeding what outspeeds Machamp in standard. Kanga can't outspeed Tauros, Starmie, Alakazam and Gengar. The only standards Kangaskhan outspeeds that Machamp can't are Exeggutor and Lapras. Kanga doesn't exactly fare well against these Pokemon anyway, getting 2HKOd by each of them.

Another "advantage" Kangaskhan has is that it's not weak to Psychic, which is funny because Kangaskhan gets 2HKOd by Alakazams and Exeggutors Psychic anyway. And if I recall, Kanga gets OHKOd by a CH Psychic from them. Machamp can actually do something to Tauros and Snorlax that isn't Body Slam and pray you get lucky, it can use Submission. I'm not a fanatic of the move but it hits Tauros for an average of 235 HP damage and OHKOs it with a CH. Snorlax suffers the same fate, taking an average damage of 296 HP and getting OHKOd by a CH. The recoil would be worth disposing of at least one of the two best physical sweepers in the game.

The only real advantage I see that Kanga has over Machamp is a better CH rate. Machamp has a CH rate of 10.7% while Kangaskhan has a CH rate of 17.5%. As far as I'm concerned though, these Pokemon both belong on the same tier and I am glad to have done that.

[GGFan]

And lest I forget, Kanga can OHKO Starmie with a CH Hyper Beam.

[Yellow]

Yeah they diffenetly belong in the same tier.

[GGFan]

Well, here are the differences really. Kanga can kill Starmie with the one two punch, Body and Hyper Beam where as Machamp can't unless it scores a CH Hyper Beam. Machamp 2HKOs Lapras with Submission where as Kanga barely hits Lapras for 25% with Body Slam. Machamp also 2HKOs Tauros and Lax like I mentoned earlier but Kanga can use Counter, which is a little predictable and can backfire too.

Machamp also mauls Chansey with Submission, hitting it for 600 HP of damage and basically screwing it over. Kanga can't even kill Chansey with the one two punch unless you get max damage from both attacks.

In the end, I find them both pretty equal. Like I said, Kangas speed advantage is irrelevant in standard, it can't outspeed anything that Machamp doesn't either besides Lapras which Machamp can actually dispose of much easier.

[samthedigital]

Since one has to be superior, who do you think edges it out?

[GGFan]

I think in terms of usability in standard they're about equal, each one has specific advantages so use the one that suits your needs better.

[samthedigital]

Can you do a Snorlax vs. Rhydon analysis? That would be interesting.

[GGFan]

Alright.

[samthedigital]

Thanks GGFan. You rule! =D

[GGFan]

[davidum]

I already did a snorlax analysis.

[samthedigital]

It isn't an analyzis. It is more of a comparison. Your analysis is cool, though.

[davidum]

Thanks, most of bleeplanders say that my analysis were copied off of smogon. Fags

[samthedigital]

The movesets are standard, so they aren't really copied. It is the text which makes them important.

[GGFan]

I lol when those idiots say that considering Smogon ripped off of me.