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There are five stupid remarks from Triple S (SimperingSmogonSycophant) that I'll address here.

[01:06:35] George S. [Disaster Area]: is not giving medals for achieving things purely on
[01:06:35] Lutra: easily
[01:06:36] George S. [Disaster Area]: smogon / po
[01:06:41] George S. [Disaster Area]: aka smogon / smogonjr
[01:07:09] Lutra: well sounds like some kind of jealous vengeance

Jealous of what? Vengeance for what? Most RBY specialists--that is, people who play RBY more than any other gen--invest most of their time here, and that's a fact. So it's jealously and vengeance to acknowledge your own community as the main source of competitive RBY? That should be exactly what you want to do--even your right-hand man, DA, has been adamant in his efforts to put over PP as the number 1 alternative to Smogon. Well, guess what? Most people here aren't Smogon moderators who have had everything handed to them, so there's no need for others to get on their knees and open their mouths.

[01:07:13] George S. [Disaster Area]: nah it just makes
[01:07:14] Lutra: more than being reasonable
[01:07:15] George S. [Disaster Area]: no sense
[01:07:16] George S. [Disaster Area]: to have awards
[01:07:19] Lutra: it does
[01:07:20] George S. [Disaster Area]: for stuff that doesn't happen
[01:07:21] George S. [Disaster Area]: on PP
[01:07:22] Lutra: they appreciate it

Who appreciates it? While I realize it's in your best interests to pander as much to Smogon as best as you can, it's obviously in Pokemon Perfect's best interests to distinguish itself from its competitors as best as it can, otherwise it will just come across as a Smogon subsidary and end up like Neo SmogonJr (PO) and the original SmogonJr (PokeRealm). Giving players the chance to win major awards despite never playing in any tournaments tarnishes the credibility of both PP's tournaments and seasons; for example, you giving Tiba a trophy for winning a tournament that had nothing to do with here AND a nomination for best player. So, in your eyes, winning one tournament on Smogon at the beginning of the year meant more than Mister Tim winning season 5 and marco's consistency. Oh, wait, marco got knocked out of the Smogon tournament early, so obviously he was a terrible player. And man, he really sucks these days, getting beaten by an eternal Smogon gimmick, Agamemmnon, this year.

I've never seen anyone from here or Smogon praise you for your Smogon pandering. Tiba may not even know this place exists, or at the very least doesn't give a shit about PP. Most people who play only in Smogon and SmogonJr's rare RBY tournaments only play on those forums. Most RBY players in team tournaments like SPL are PP regulars (marco, Goldie, eternal Smogon gimmick Bedschibaer, Alexader, Ortheore, etc). Metalgross used to play on PP before sticking to Smogon and SmogonJr. PP's playerbase is not only big enough, but consists of the best RBY players, which means distributing awards to people on Smogon accomplishes nothing but make PP look like a joke.

[01:07:37] George S. [Disaster Area]: if u mention PP on either u get b@@@@@@@
[01:07:44] George S. [Disaster Area]: ok maybe that's just if ur me but still
[01:08:30] Lutra: well it's not mentioning
[01:08:33] Lutra: it's advertising

I realize how important it was for you to become a Smogon moderator and attain the adoration of random Smodrones, but this is pathetic even for you. "Sorry, you can't mention a site that will allow you to enhance your knowledge about a metagame and give you more opportunities to play RBY because it's not Smogon." Why? Why can't people mention PP? RBY has never been Smogon's strongest strength and it never will. It's this kind of attitude that has inspired people to create alternatives in the first place.

[01:08:48] George S. [Disaster Area]: I don't understand why we award for stuff
[01:08:52] George S. [Disaster Area]: that doesn't happen on here
[01:09:00] George S. [Disaster Area]: we have plenty of shit on our own site
[01:09:03] George S. [Disaster Area]: we can award people for
[01:09:04] Lutra: because they are good achievements

This one legitimately mad me laugh out loud. Just imagine having an argument about common sense with you.

"I think mass murder should be punishable by life imprisonment or death because murders have proven themselves to be a threat to society. I don't see why you're releasing this convicted murderer and child molester after just two weeks."
"Because he's a good person."

Since I already explained why these kinds of achievements are not "good" by any stretch of the imagination, I'll talk about a tournament which resulted in a candy ass receiving a trophy he shouldn't have won.

In the beginning of the year, I participated in SmogonJr's Supreme RBY OU tournament, which Triple S organized. After defeating a SmogonJr in the first round I went on to play to somebody by the name of "Ready 4 Whatever" in the second, who went by the names of Candies, who was also Alexander. He realized who I was right away, though it didn't help him in the heat of battle. I beat him twice in a row and he posted the result, saying that he lost 2-0 to "GGFan."

SmogonJr lived up to its reputation as a smaller, laughable version of Smogon, and Triple S lived up to his reputation as well, being Triple S. Without any hesitation, Triple S banned me and Alexander went on to win the tournament--after I had already beaten him early on. So not only does Triple S give awards that make PP look like a joke, but he gives awards that are jokes themselves.

Oh, a similar thing happened last year on Smogon.

[01:11:37] Lutra: anyway, imagine we were Iran, they have to cooperate with the US to achieve things, even if they hate them

What a stupid analogy. Let's compare a war-torn, third-world country with no resources of its own to a place that is actually superior to its competitors in some respects. PP didn't begin to really develop until you stepped down and DA took over. Even before then, however, if PP didn't have any relations with Smogon it wouldn't have mattered. People who want to play RBY will come here. If PP dies or becomes too similar to Smogon, an alternative will take its place. That's always been the case with RBY.

[GGFan]

No, I feel including achievements on a site that is central to many of the RBY's community competitive careers to be a good decision. I'm barely even involved in the wider Smogon community, since I've been just running old gen tournaments, so I don't think I've really fit into their way of thinking. On the other hand, call me cynical, but it seems you and DA are just dismissing most things that don't happen in master tournaments, due to your sustained effort in them and your inability to give up on revenge towards Smogon for not tolerating your egos. DA is not my right-hand man in any shape or form. He's the top contributor to Pokémon Perfect and the go-to man for the projects he organises."

Then why does Smogon not do something similar? Because it presents itself as the premiere competitive community out there. What good does PP get out of it besides making itself appear to be a subsidary to Smogon? They don't need to be reminded of the tournament they won on Smogon.

In regard to DA, accusing him of having a Smogon-esque ego for the reason he was banned doesn't really seem to make any sense to me. I would say he was banned for being an idiot who had a proclivity to post inappropriate things on a daily basis, but nobody can question his enthusiasm and motivation towards old-gen development. When he talks about Smogon, it's usually when he puts over PP as the primary source of RBY, which it is. For example, his video about RBY in SPL. He criticized the decision to have RBY in SPL because it was missing some RBY specialists and wasn't--and isn't--the place where RBY is played the most. That's a valid criticism no matter who said it, and not something you can shoot down with the ancient "You hate Smogon because you're banned there!" argument.

As for me, how strange that you try to present me as somebody who invests as much time as you and DA into the competitive scene. Besides the MTs I hardly play in tournaments these days, and the reason I choose to play in MTs is because they're a convenient way to play many games, increase my video library, and play good players. However, you seem to think that participating in them is my way of "getting revenge," which is as laughable as it is inane. Revenge for what? And how does playing in some RBY tournaments accomplish this revenge? Sorry, but what you're saying just screams "Smogon sycophant." When somebody is critical of Smogon, you just accuse them of wanting revenge for something that only exists in your eyes. Well, I can easily play this game too, but convincingly: the reason you DQ me from tournaments and are such a Smogon apologist is because you're bitter that you only had one year where you amounted to something as a player, and couldn't keep up. Now that you amounted to something on Smogon, you want to use your power to the fullest extent, even if that involves corruption.

Well, that was a fun game. Oh, now about me having an ego. Here's something you need to understand now--this is Pokemon on the internet. Of course I have an ego. So do you. So does DA. So does marco. So does jolly Golden Gyarados. EVERYONE has an ego here. Almost everyone who invests time into competitive play does so with the intent of winning, improving, and with hopes of being the best. People want to be remembered for their accomplishments and impact they had on the game. And here's another thing: you can't accuse people of having egos by comparing them with a website that has a notorious history of elitism and arrogance. You're no different than me, no matter how hard you try to present yourself to be.

Now I'd like to talk about my relationship with PP. You also seem to think that I'm some kind of hardcore PP loyalist, ignoring how critical I've been of you, PP's tournament organization, and time management over the last three years. I don't love PP. I play here because it's the best option for me right now. If Smogon always had a good RBY scene, I'd be there now under a different name. I even had a heated argument with marcoasd that almost resulted in me getting banned last year. The truth is that I've played in over a dozen different communities, and thus am somebody who can say what he believes in without fear of getting banned. Marco can't do that; he has to be a boy scout at times and hide his true feelings because he's far more involved than I am in competitive play.

However, as somebody who ran an RBY community a long time ago, I understand the importance of individuality. Therefore, I agree with DA not because I'm a PP loyalist, but because it's the right thing do. I pushed TA as the #1 source of competitive RBY and as an alternative to Smogon, which I strongly believed played a major role in its success. Oh, and look at that, even marco agrees with this mentality.

Really? Can you do some objective polling to actually back up these claims?

Poll on what? Your post? Would you like a link? A poll on my statement that it's in PP's interest to distinguish itself from Smogon? What do you want, a Smogon clone? If this place was exactly the same as Smogon, there would be no reason to come here--that's just common sense. The RBY playerbase and resources are what have attracted the most amount of people.

Yes, I think it's incredibly stupid to give people major awards like "best player" on the POKEMON PERFECT forum to somebody who couldn't give two shits about PP. Not to mention it presents your own players as inferior to the ones on Smogon or SmogonJr, which is counterproductive to what PP purports to be.

Metalgross played in PP, but I'm not sure how much of an impact it had. He played here a lot less than most.

He was but one example of people who are primarily RBY players that are active here.

DA mentioned PP excessively, just to get people here a lot of the time. I don't know really know how much of a negative effect it has on Smogon, but it's Smogon policy to do this to probably protect their player base being split. So I don't know how effective this rule is, but he did break it.

Why would that matter to you? I can't see any reason you would be a Smogon Cop other than the fact that you're afraid that your association with DA would threaten your position on Smogon.

They're good achievements because they are large tournaments with PP players at the core of them. Just needed a bit of clarification, no need to post some irrelevance after.

You can't call them good achievements when people who already lost won because of corruption.

I agree the tournaments might well be worse without you, but you broke their rules and shouldn't have been in the tournament in the first place according to them.

It was your tournament. Instead of growing a pair, you banned me on sight simply because one person claimed the person he beat was me. The tournament could have easily been finished on PP, seeing as how this is an RBY community and most of the remaining eight had PP accounts. You chose to ban me out of a desire to protect your petty status on Smogon and SmogonJr. You can do that, but at the expenses of your tournaments' credibility.

Let's see it.

We've been seeing it for the last three years. And yes, if PP dies, another alternative will come. Sooner or later.

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Why would you delete such a good post?