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Post by thethirdwonder on Jun 30, 2007 12:46:36 GMT -5
Alakazam - Psychic, Thunder Wave, Reflect, Recover Starmie - Thunder Wave, Psychic, Surf, Blizzard Chansey - Thunder Wave, Softboiled, Psychic, Ice beam Tauros - Body slam, Earthquake, Blizzard, Thunderbolt Snorlax - Amnesia, Ice beam, Body slam, Rest Zapdos - Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt, Drill peck, Light screen
Now, I know i don't have Rhydon or Golem, but really, why have them? The only electric people usually use is Zapdos (and perhaps Raichu), but why have a pokemon just to be anti-Zapdos? I find Rhydon doesn't do to well on other standards. Also you may notice Thunderbolt on Tauros, cause I noticed it's stronger then Body slam on Starmie and therefore, it's often better on all Waters (except for maybe Lapras). Chansey doesn't have Thunderbolt, because it would only beat Waters, since Ice beam covers flyers, and with a better effect too. Also with Softboiled, Chansey stalls a bit, so Psychic is nice as it lowers special 30% of the time.
What do you guys think?
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Post by GGFan on Jun 30, 2007 18:25:48 GMT -5
"Alakazam - Psychic, Thunder Wave, Reflect, Recover"
Standard/10
"Starmie - Thunder Wave, Psychic, Surf, Blizzard"
Starmie should ALWAYS have Recover. Dump one of your attacks for it, Thunderbolt also has more practical use. Starmie should look something like: T-Bolt/T-Wave/Recover/Surf or Blizzard. If you aren't leading with Starmie, use Surf.
"Chansey - Thunder Wave, Softboiled, Psychic, Ice beam"
Thunderbolt > Psychic
"Tauros - Body slam, Earthquake, Blizzard, Thunderbolt"
Hyper Beam is needed, dump the useless Thunderbolt for it.
"Snorlax - Amnesia, Ice beam, Body slam, Rest"
Physical 'Lax is better. Body Slam/EQ/Hyper Beam/Selfdestruct
"Zapdos - Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt, Drill peck, Light screen"
Standard/10
"Now, I know i don't have Rhydon or Golem, but really, why have them? The only electric people usually use is Zapdos (and perhaps Raichu), but why have a pokemon just to be anti-Zapdos? I find Rhydon doesn't do to well on other standards."
They can absorb T-Wave, can sweep and counter Zapdos which is nice considering Zapdos' power. Golem also has Explosion which is always handy while Rhydon can sweep just as well as Tauros can if you give it enough support. They also have normal resist which can help.
"Also you may notice Thunderbolt on Tauros, cause I noticed it's stronger then Body slam on Starmie and therefore, it's often better on all Waters (except for maybe Lapras). Chansey doesn't have Thunderbolt, because it would only beat Waters, since Ice beam covers flyers, and with a better effect too. Also with Softboiled, Chansey stalls a bit, so Psychic is nice as it lowers special 30% of the time."
Except that the difference of damage Starmie takes from Thunderbolt and Body Slam is a whopping 8 HP. And since you aren't using Body Slam, you don't have a very good chance of paralyzing Starmie which is the only way Tauros can beat Starmie on it's own. Not only that, since you aren't using Hyper Beam your chances of beating Starmie are almost diminished. The only Pokemon that Thunderbolt will hit for more are Cloyster and Gyarados, both aren't seen that much and Zapdos counters them anyway.
Chansey needs Thunderbolt otherwise Slowbro sets up on it, Starmie also gets an opportunity to stall it if it's paralyzed or manages to not get frozen. Lapras also has a field day thanks to a 4x resist to ice. Special falls aren't that great for Chansey considering it won't be able to hit waters, Slowbro can just raise it's special again and the opponent can switch from special falls.
Alakazam is a decent lead, but you really need a sleeper. I would dump Starmie or Zapdos for Exeggutor with Psychic/Sleep Powder/Stun Spore/Explosion.
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Post by thethirdwonder on Jul 3, 2007 9:16:14 GMT -5
"aight thanks, just experimenting a little bit. I think Psychic is still nice with Chansey for longer battles, but yeah definitely, Thunderbolt is better for shorter ones. Abotu Starmie, Recover is nice, but with 323 HP, you can only Recover 162 HP and Zapdos, sometimes Tauros and quite a few other Standards."
Recover is great against Tauros, Alakazam and if Exeggutor doesn't have Mega Drain it can be useful and force it to explode. As for Psychic Chansey, it isn't really that useful. Gengar will probably use Explosion anyway, Starmie can now stall you, Slowbro stalls you, what good is Psychic going to do? It doesn't make a difference on Tauros and Snorlax, you have to Ice Beam Exeggutor, etc, etc etc.
"Also about a sleeper, I have a nack for 100% accuracy (as you can see pretty much everywhere on my team). Jynx is nice, Exeggutor is slower but tougher, and Venomoth is the fastest Sleep and Stunner, but I don't like those 75% accuracies, too risky. If you miss, your opponent gets a big edge on you."
75% is ok and and you really need a sleeper. If it wasn't reliable, nobody would use them. In RBY on many occassions a sleeping Pokemon is a dead one so it's really pivotal that you have a sleeper. Besides, Exeggutor can take hits anyway. Venomoth sucks in standard BTW.
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Post by GGFan on Jul 3, 2007 10:50:35 GMT -5
Sorry for modifying your post BTW, meant to click reply. The stuff I deleted were parts of your post that I didn't really need to respond to.
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Post by thethirdwonder on Jul 5, 2007 9:35:35 GMT -5
okay yeah true about Psychic. Though it is actualyl weaker on Tauros, Snorlax etc, it can lower special, and that goes nicely with Softboiled, but I see your point. As for sleeper, yeah I can see needing one. Fun fact, I was bored so I made a mini program (I got programming skills ) that had Gengar vs Jynx in a sleep war. Gengar put Jynx to sleep 1458 times and Jynx put gengar to sleep 542 times. Thus, Gengar is a better sleep lead.....for sleeping anyways.
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Post by GGFan on Jul 5, 2007 10:40:46 GMT -5
"okay yeah true about Psychic. Though it is actualyl weaker on Tauros, Snorlax etc, it can lower special, and that goes nicely with Softboiled, but I see your point."
Lowering special would only help if the opposing Pokemon couldn't switch, besides that Thunderbolt is better.
"As for sleeper, yeah I can see needing one. Fun fact, I was bored so I made a mini program (I got programming skills ) that had Gengar vs Jynx in a sleep war. Gengar put Jynx to sleep 1458 times and Jynx put gengar to sleep 542 times. Thus, Gengar is a better sleep lead.....for sleeping anyways."
Hypnosis also has worse accuracy.
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Post by thethirdwonder on Jul 6, 2007 19:37:51 GMT -5
I know but Gengar is faster, and still 65% isn't too shabby, and the remaining 35% has a 1 in 4 shot if Jynx's kiss misses.
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Post by GGFan on Jul 6, 2007 21:40:13 GMT -5
It has 60% accuracy.
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Post by thethirdwonder on Jul 7, 2007 9:47:58 GMT -5
oh shit, I could have sworn it was 65%. Okay well if it's 60% + 1 quarter of the remaining, it has roughly 70% chance of putting Jynx to sleep before Jynx puts Gengar to sleep. Not bad.
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Post by samthedigital on Aug 5, 2007 21:41:18 GMT -5
The chance that Gengar hits with Hypnosis is 59.8, so he has a 2/3rds chance to get the sleep altogether. There is around 1/3rds chance that Sleep Powder hit, and the remaining is that neither ever hit. The last bit is pretty insignificant though. If you are feeling bold, you could try Psychic. You have a 1/3rd chance to hit, and a 18-19% chance to kill Gengar. However, it depends on what you think Gengar can do against your team. It could be more advantageous to hurt Gengar than to sleep it even if you don't want to try for the kill. I don't need to worry about this, though. I like my Alakazam starter.
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Post by samthedigital on Nov 23, 2007 19:50:04 GMT -5
It is also helpful against Alakazam in general.
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